to see michael brown criticizing president obama today for reacting. i mean, my goodness! >> right. >> so i think that we can't guarantee that any particular agency will work perfectly but we do have to think about which leader is going to put in position people who can act effectively, who will respect the professional workers and government who do such a good job, it was important to hear john nichols talking earlier about the laborers who come out to putting their own lives at risk in situations like this, you know, we need to maintain support for this. and i want to be clear that over the last 15 years, we have seen republican administrations eviscerate the professional workers in federal agencies, we have seen republican governors eviscerate state agencies, and in my view that's what makes us less resilient and more vulnerable. >> i just want to say because i think the point that you make picks up this idea that you say that nobody really seriously takes their idea of lessening government a serious point. >> i don't mean lessening, i mean privatiz